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1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:59 am
by Cobra Jet
Creating this thread due to the recent posting of a classified ad created over on Corral and also same vehicle appearing in a discussion over on SVTP.
There were (2) 1995 Cobra R Prototypes built by Ford. Those were stuffed with the then available 5.8 Lightning engines. They also came equipped with 20gal fuel cells as well as the Tremec 5spds and numerous other enhancements. 1 of those Prototypes was entered and participated in the Nelson Ledges 24 Hour Endurance Race. The R-proto that was entered unfortunately received a DNF due to it ultimately landing on its roof.
Now, fast forward to current day in 2013 when this ad is posted:
http://forums.corral.net/forums/mustang ... value.html
The car in the above Corral link was also discussed briefly on SVTP with others mentioning the fact that only (2) 95 R-Protos were built (with one SVTP member and myself stating that one of the two were damaged as noted above). Another SVTP Member also chimed in that he has seen 1 of the R-proto's, but does not clarify which, but assuming it was the non-wrecked vehicle. Someone also mentions there was a rumor that someone at Roush was "removing" R-like parts from Roush's facility and putting them onto an SN95 to "create" a replica of the 95R-Protos.
The current "prototype" for sale, it has not been determined yet which of the original 2 this one is purported to be, but Seller is gathering documents for further verification.
That discussion is here (pages 107-108):
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/co ... d-108.html
Does anyone on here have any info to add about the 95R-Protos (factual or additional Internet links)? Any known pics exist of the Nelson Ledges incident, because I thought there was discussion yeas ago that the R-proto wrecked there was destroyed?
The current seller has been asked to supply the VIN, so far no responses (yet).
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:00 pm
by SPEEDFREEK
The current owner of that car is a prick. He's never given anyone interested in the car a price. Always says make an offer. He needs to get proof of what the car is and Ebay it if he wants to play games about the price. He speaks of Colletti and the pioneers of SVT like he is on a daily basis with them and I asked him from one proto owner to another if he could get me in contact with some of his contacts to learn more about my car as well and he pretty much told me I was an idiot to think that someone I didn't even know would go thru the trouble to help me out with anything and that he couldn't believe I was stupid enough to even ask him that. I quickly told him where to cram it and that was my dealings with the prick.
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:39 pm
by Mike S.
I'd have backhanded him.
-MJS
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:14 pm
by JohnLynch
SPEEDFREEK wrote:The current owner of that car is a prick. He's never given anyone interested in the car a price. Always says make an offer. He needs to get proof of what the car is and Ebay it if he wants to play games about the price. He speaks of Colletti and the pioneers of SVT like he is on a daily basis with them and I asked him from one proto owner to another if he could get me in contact with some of his contacts to learn more about my car as well and he pretty much told me I was an idiot to think that someone I didn't even know would go thru the trouble to help me out with anything and that he couldn't believe I was stupid enough to even ask him that. I quickly told him where to cram it and that was my dealings with the prick.
should have done this to him
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:15 am
by dbrennancobra
did he own alot of corvettes?
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:39 am
by SPEEDFREEK
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:32 am
by bdecoy
dbrennancobra wrote:did he own alot of corvettes?
Hey now
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:15 am
by SPEEDFREEK
bdecoy wrote:dbrennancobra wrote:did he own alot of corvettes?
Hey now
I always have a Vette laying around as well.
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:11 pm
by Cobra Jet
Based on this and prior instances, the owner has never produced the supposed paperwork on the car or the VIN (when questioned or asked)...
The Nelson Ledges incident was factual - so it would lead one to believe that:
A) only 1 95R-proto has survived out of 2
B) the car for sale can't be the Nelson Ledges vehicle - UNLESS someone invested a decent amount of time and money to fix the structural roof & misc. damages from the race wreck
C) the car for sale was (or is) an attempt to clone a 95R-proto appearance & attempt to profit from a potential scam
Usually, if Seller-X claims this or that about a vehicle-X, but can't back up the claim with some factual proof or evidence, all claims are mythical until proven otherwise...
Re: 1995 Cobra R Prototypes
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:24 pm
by Cobra Jet
Snippet of history:
FORD MUSTANG COBRA COMPETES IN 'RACE FOR THE CURE'
DETROIT, June 17 /PRNewswire/ --
Twenty-four hours at Nelson Ledges will mark the first time an automobile race/motorsports team will compete for the benefit of the Michigan Cancer Foundation on June 18-19, 1994.
Drivers and cars from a dozen different states will drive the legendary 24-hour endurance race for street-legal showroom stock and improved touring cars.
Michigan will be represented by the Ford Mustang Cobra, prepped by Roush Racing for Ford and driven by four journalists: Rich Ceppos, executive editor, Automobile Magazine; Tony Swan, automotive columnist, Detroit Free Press; Daniel Charles Ross, national editor, Motor Trend Magazine and Terry Lingner of ESPN's Speedweek.
The Ford Mustang Cobra team is soliciting donations based on the number of laps/miles completed by each journalist in the race. Those pledges will be donated to the "Race for the Cure." The Michigan Cancer Foundation and the Meyer L. Prentis Cancer Center based in metropolitan Detroit, will benefit in the battle against breast cancer.
The "Longest Day" offers amateur drivers the opportunity to race for 24 hours battling time, mechanical gremlins, the elements and fatigue to see if they can really endure till the checkered flag drops.
Nelson Ledges road course is located in Garrettsville, Ohio. The race is sanctioned by the Sports Car Club of America and is only one of three 24-hour races in the world. The other two are the 24 Hours of Daytona (Fla.) and the 24 Hours of LeMans in France.
For pledges, fax Jane Hoey at the Michigan Cancer Foundation at 313-831-8714.
6/17/94
/NOTE TO EDITORS: The drivers/journalists will be available for phone interviews before and during the race.
/CONTACT: Linda Lee of Ford, 313-594-3080; or Dan Ross, driver/journalist, (mobile) 313-802-2872/
(F)
In the end, we did not want to leave Charlotte and the Mustang Cobra Rs behind. With the exhaust uncorked, the engine balanced and blueprinted and some intelligent tuning done to the engine controls, 375 hp should be a realistic number for a track-prepared Mustang R. That is a lot of power and makes the Mustang fully capable of taking on the 350ci Camaros and Firebirds and beating them at their own game.
While there really hasn't been much in the way of racing yet this year at the time this is being written (early April), we can say that at the Nelson Ledges 24-hour endurance race held earlier this year, the R was leading everything but the Consulier mid-engined exotic car (hear that, you Camaro weenies?) until it was gathered up in a wreck that started in front of it.
Read more:
http://www.mustang50magazine.com/roadte ... 5_cobra_r/
